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| - p.8 lines 212-214. In order to underpin the use of the geostatistical estimator and its variance the authors should discuss their results in relation to the measures of sample average, variance etc. for both designs (see comment 2-methods). | - p.8 lines 212-214. In order to underpin the use of the geostatistical estimator and its variance the authors should discuss their results in relation to the measures of sample average, variance etc. for both designs (see comment 2-methods). | ||
| - p.8 line 222-Results showed that the hybrid design performed better. | - p.8 line 222-Results showed that the hybrid design performed better. | ||
| - | The number of samples is often a crucial point in geostatistical analyses especially for applications in fisheries where expensive ship times often limit the number of hauls. Although both sampling designs comprised 36 sampling stations, the composition between numbers of stations of the regular grid and number of stations of the additional stations differed between the hybrid (17/19) and the systematic (19/17) designs. Though, I would expect a sensitivity of the analysis to sample size in design composition (see also Rufino et al. 2006). This issue should be included in the discussion of the results. | + | The number of samples is often a crucial point in geostatistical analyses especially for applications in fisheries where expensive ship times often limit the number of hauls. Although both sampling designs comprised 36 sampling stations, the composition between numbers of stations of the regular grid and number of stations of the additional stations differed between the hybrid (17/19) and the systematic (19/17) designs. Though, I would expect a sensitivity of the analysis to sample size in design composition (see also Rufino et al. 2006). This issue should be included in the discussion of the results. |
| - The performance of both sampling designs was assessed on the base of hake abundance data. Do the authors expect different results when testing the designs for different species or even biological groups such as different size classes (see Stelzenmüller et al. 2005)? I would assume before recommending a new survey design that this design performs well for most species. | - The performance of both sampling designs was assessed on the base of hake abundance data. Do the authors expect different results when testing the designs for different species or even biological groups such as different size classes (see Stelzenmüller et al. 2005)? I would assume before recommending a new survey design that this design performs well for most species. | ||
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| - | * Doonan, I.J., B. Bull and R.F. Coombs. (2003). Star acoustic surveys of localized fish aggregations. ICES J. Mar. Sci. , 60: 132-146. | + | * Doonan, I.J., B. Bull and R.F. Coombs. (2003). Star acoustic surveys of localized fish aggregations. ICES J. Mar. Sci. , 60:132-146. |
| * Petitgas, P. (2001). Geostatistics in fisheries survey design and stock assement: models, variances and applications. Fish Fish., 2: | * Petitgas, P. (2001). Geostatistics in fisheries survey design and stock assement: models, variances and applications. Fish Fish., 2: | ||
| - | * Rufino, M.M, V. Stelzenmüller, | + | |
| - | * Simard, Y., P. Legendre, G. Lavoie and D. Marcotte. (1992). Mapping, estimating biomass, and optimizing sampling programs for spatially autocorrelated data: case study of the northern shrimp (Pandalus borealis). Can. J. Fish. Aquat. Sci., 49: 32-45. | + | * Simard, Y., P. Legendre, G. Lavoie and D. Marcotte. (1992). Mapping, estimating biomass, and optimizing sampling programs for spatially autocorrelated data: case study of the northern shrimp (Pandalus borealis). Can. J. Fish. Aquat. Sci., 49:32-45. |
| - | * Stelzenmüller, | + | * Stelzenmüller, |
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| - Page 7, line 178-179, do you mean “hybrid design had lower sill and range”? | - Page 7, line 178-179, do you mean “hybrid design had lower sill and range”? | ||
| - Page 8, although the results presented in the paper are useful and informative, | - Page 8, although the results presented in the paper are useful and informative, | ||
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| - | Cochran, W.G. 1977. Sampling Techniques. John Wiley & Sons. New York, NY. | + | * Cochran, W.G. 1977. Sampling Techniques. John Wiley & Sons. New York, NY. |
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| - | Schnute, J. and R. Haigh. 2003. A simulation model for designing groundfish trawl surveys. Canadian Journal of Fisheries and Aquatic Science. 60: 640-656 | + | |
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| - | Smith, S. J. 1997. Bootstrap confidence limits for groundfish trawl survey estimates of mean abundance. Canadian Journal of Fisheries and Aquatic Science. 54: 616-630. | + | |
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| - | Smith, S. J. and G. Robert. 1998. Getting more out of your survey information: | + | |
| ==== Reviewer 02 ==== | ==== Reviewer 02 ==== | ||
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| In the light of the many comments made by the reviewers I conclude with regret that this manuscript is not acceptabe as it stands.Questions on the paucity of the data, the lack of statistical power, difficulty of generalising the results, and the possibility of redundancy with other papers are only some of the matters raised. However, there is good material in this manuscript, and if the authors are able to take full account of the reviewers concerns, a resubmission is possible. | In the light of the many comments made by the reviewers I conclude with regret that this manuscript is not acceptabe as it stands.Questions on the paucity of the data, the lack of statistical power, difficulty of generalising the results, and the possibility of redundancy with other papers are only some of the matters raised. However, there is good material in this manuscript, and if the authors are able to take full account of the reviewers concerns, a resubmission is possible. | ||
| - | ===== Resubmissão ===== | + | ===== Resubmissão |
| Idéia básica ao redor da sugestao do segundo referee de enfatizar a metodologia, | Idéia básica ao redor da sugestao do segundo referee de enfatizar a metodologia, | ||
